Cardinal Vincent Nichols after officiating the solemn requiem at The Metropolitan Cathedral of the Most Precious Blood, informally known as Westminster Cathedral on April 21, 2025 in London, England. Alishia Abodunde/Getty Images hide caption
ROME - Cardinal Vincent Nichols, the Catholic Church's top official for England and Wales as the Archbishop of Westminster, is preparing to enter his first papal conclave. He says the task of choosing a new pope is "intimidating," and expects a reflective mood as the cardinals gather inside the Vatican's Sistine Chapel.
"When those doors shut, all of the speculation and way of talking about this as oppositional, you know, conservative against liberal and all of that stuff - that will finish, and there'll be much more a mood of reflection," Nichols told NPR.
Nichols, 79, was appointed cardinal by Pope Francis in February, 2014. He's part of the most diverse College of Cardinals in his church's history. Like Nichols, a majority of the voting cardinals (those under age 80) were appointed by Francis.
"I met this morning a cardinal from Rwanda... What he's got to tell us! About a country like Rwanda and what it's lived through and what the church is facing now. There'll be a cardinal from Myanmar, from Burma... He's living under a military dictatorship. So we've got to listen," Nichols said. "In each of these places, the stories, the accounts, they make up the mosaic of the Church around the world."
Cardinal Vincent Nichols receives his Biretta from Pope Francis at Saint Peter's Basilica on February 22, 2014 in Vatican City, Vatican. Peter Macdiarmid/Getty hide caption
He says that the days in Rome leading up to the conclave are an opportunity for cardinals to listen to each other's stories.
Nichols also acknowledged the importance of listening to survivors of sexual abuse in the church. He shared that he's been meeting with victims for the past 20 years and called for the church to bring in outsiders to help them.
"I can't take the pain away. I can try to understand it," Nichols said. "Paradoxically, the church is the last place where they can get immediate help because we are the perpetrator."
While Nichols doesn't think he will come out of the conclave as the next leader of the Catholic Church, he says that the person who does will be making the ultimate sacrifice.
"I think being chosen pope is a mini kind of death," Nichols told NPR. "Whoever is chosen pope will never go home again. They'll lose every last vestige of privacy. His whole life will then be taken over - for good purpose... But it's a kind of total surrender."
During a conclave, cardinals are fully sequestered in the Casa Santa Marta, joined only by the nuns who run the house where Pope Francis lived. They are cut off from the outside, including television, radio, and cellphones. Nichols says he can get by without his podcasts, but missing out on soccer scores might be a little more difficult.
"I'm not quite sure what happens to my mobile phone... They might take them off us, I don't know. Or they might block the signals. I have no idea. We'll find out. But it's my alarm clock. I'm worried I might be sleeping through [things]... and also your phone has got prayer on it that we use so it'll be interesting."
Nichols was told that the average length of a conclave is two or three days, but it can last as long as it takes until two-thirds of the cardinals participating agree on the new pope. He says he packed a few extra pairs of socks, just in case.
